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Wed Sep 10, 2014
Font update, Usability improvements
For more than 8 years now, Next Episode used (exclusively) a small Verdana font.
The problem with that is, this font renders differently on different browsers, especially around 10px.
how it looked like in Firefox, and
- in Chrome and IE. It's fine on FF but terrible in other browsers.
To fix this, I swapped Verdana for
Arial, and enlarged it a bit.
is a prettier and easier to read text.
To complement the change, our main menu is now updated a bit, as well as the thumbnails on the home page.
I'm still tweaking up things and updating font sizes, so please look around and let me know how you feel about this update.
For even better readability and compatibility across operating systems and devices - font updated to
comment # 1 by
comment # 2 by
Nice font :)
comment # 3 by
Harder to read, the letters are too squashed and close together. Zooming in/font size doesn't help.
comment # 4 by
@Paul_Bags - can I see a screenshot of what you're seeing? Also Browser/OS ?
comment # 5 by
I like Helvetica, but I think a size smaller might be better. Hard to say for sure without comparing them, though.
comment # 6 by
With the new font is there now any chance the panel (not sure what you guys officially call it) on stuff to watch page under Shows you're not tracking could be split over 2 or 3 columns.
Something like this http://postimg.org/image/lmd8ha2xf/
*I just hate wasted space :)
comment # 7 by
oh and if they could be ordered alphabetically that would be awesome (my OCD would love that!) :)
comment # 8 by
Agree with Katy about alphabetising the 'not tracking' section
I use Safari and the text looks a little too large now.
But as long as it's legible I'll continue to love it!
comment # 9 by
I think it's good, but I also liked it before.
Mostly, I want to thank you for this site - it's amazing. I happened on it by accident, but now I use it all the time. It's just so helpful when I want to check when something will air, if it's been canceled or if I want to check out any new series. I'd be very sad if you weren't here any more.
comment # 10 by
it looks great but i think the font size could go to 11px coz 12 is 2 big mate :D
comment # 11 by
Helvetica is a huge improvement. Maybe could be a teensy bit smaller but it's ok as is too. Are the pics on the home page - yesterday, today and tomorrow's episodes - meant to be staggered now? I really do not like that at all :(
comment # 12 by
Ewwwww... too much scrolling and the letters are too close to each other.
comment # 13 by
Bit bigger verdana might have been better?
comment # 14 by
Bigger Verdana is too big unfortunately on Firefox.
There is almost a 2px visible difference between Verdana on Firefox and on Chrome/IE.
So with Verdana, we either have too big or too small for some users :(
comment # 15 by
This site is unique. No one else does a TV site in this format. You'll never please everyone whatever font you choose. I think the site looks and functions great.
comment # 16 by
Will take some getting used to but does seem better than the old one.
comment # 17 by
I prefer a sera font for web reading
comment # 18 by
looks much better imo
comment # 19 by
Very possible to select your own font and force websites to use that instead if you want, though the biggest non-existent extension for firefox and other browsers missing today is the ability to do this per site basis (maybee some greasemonkey scripts out there?) :)
comment # 20 by
the distance between rows is quite large, looks like you could fit another row of text between the other rows. other than that it seems fine, using FF.
comment # 21 by
@Dessembrae That's only in the news, and that's because in the current news post, there is an empty line after each line (as to paragraph it better). Check out the previous news posts to see how they'll normally look :)
comment # 22 by
"Sans serif" isn't the name of a font, it's a description of a type of font - one that doesn't have serifs - the "tails" on the end of some characters. Helvetica is one of the most well-known sans serif fonts, so saying you've changed from "Helvetica" to "Sans serif" doesn't make any sense.
I don't know what font you're using as I write this comment, but for my mileage it is markedly less readable than the original verdana (and I use Chrome.)
Also (and yes, I'm *that* guy) *complement. Complement means they work well together; compliment means they are saying nice things about each other.
comment # 23 by
@kal - you're right. Ii's Arial I think, but I'll confirm it a bit later.
Can I see a screenshot of what you're seeing? It should be in no way less readable than before ... And what is your Browser/OS combo?
Thanks for pointing out the typo, fixed now!
comment # 24 by
comment # 25 by
Sure thing Santah :) I'm running win7/Chrome, and the site looks like this to me:
It's not awful, and I realise this is very subjective, but to me it just looks a bit too thin and spidery, and I had an easier time reading the old Verdana. I'll admit there's not much in it though.
comment # 26 by
Agree with comment #25. On Chrome/Win8
comment # 27 by
Also viewing on Chrome, font choice is fine but things just look a bit too big now (left side bar in particular)
comment # 28 by
@latitude75, if you know some basic CSS you can use the 'Stylish' browser extension (available for Firefox & Chrome -- https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/stylish/?src=external-userstyleshome) to change the font (and anything else!) on a per-site basis.
I think increasing the font size would have been enough to improve the cross browser rendering issue. I use Win7 & I've just compared Verdana 12-14px in Chrome & Firefox and at 12px and above they render very similarly!
The addition of DirectWrite font rendering in Chrome 37 may have improved this somewhat (http://blog.chromium.org/2014/07/chrome-37-beta-directwrite-on-windows.html).
As @kal mentioned, it's pretty subjective, I'm already getting used to it. It's not as bad as Twitter's move to Arial because most of the text on this site is small and Arial doesn't look so bad for small text IMO.
comment # 29 by
The Arial change looks great to me.
comment # 30 by
Looks much cleaner, especially the top menu. I don't think it's too big at all.
comment # 31 by
To go along with 25's comments, I see the same thing that's in his screen shot. It's like it's double-spaced. I don't like that at all. Same information conveyed in twice the space. Not a fan of all the whitespace at all if I'm being honest.
comment # 32 by
Anyone else notice that the top bar (News, Home, Stuff to Watch etc.) is very small when you're visiting forums?
comment # 33 by
@redemptor looks the same to me just slightly further to the left
comment # 34 by
definitely better !
comment # 35 by
@katy - forgot to ctrl+f5 after the font change :) now it looks good - thanks!
comment # 36 by
Looks AWESOME! Thanks! I've been browsing this site for years using an old version of Mozilla and it was great until the last major UI change a couple of years back. Then this last change really messed things up.
But now, everything is aligned and beautiful!
comment # 37 by
Arial is hot!
comment # 38 by
The new font is very clear and easy to read. Thank you for taking the time to make this improvement. AnneLee
comment # 39 by
The new font is very clear and easy to read. Thank you for taking the time to make this improvement. AnneLee
comment # 40 by
it will take some time getting used to.
I think My watchlist is more difficult to read, even togh it has blue coloring on the shows. But might it have been in bold before?
comment # 41 by
I agree with prinetti. The watchlist on the left has a very light blue color, and is therefore lacking in contrast. It's a little too pale. So I'd say either make the color stronger for better contrast, or Bold it.
comment # 42 by
I prefer the old style. The new font seems to be lower contrast, and more difficult to read.
comment # 43 by
The color and weight of the watchlist text are the same as before.
Here is a screenshot of this news post, the main menu and the watchlist in Chrome, with the old font: http://i.imgur.com/qlUNQgl.png
And here - with the new one: http://i.imgur.com/qLGNKcS.png
If anyone sees anything less readable than the second screenshot - please let me know!
For anyone who didn't like the change - is it growing up on you?
comment # 44 by
Having looked endless days/months/years at the old font, I hope I can report positively back on your last question ;)
comment # 45 by
Looks great :)
comment # 46 by
Would it be possible on the comments section of the news to highlight if there are new comments you have yet to read? (The way the forum does with the blue boxes)
comment # 47 by
It's been this way for a few days now, and while I'll probably learn to live with it I really gotta say that I hate it. For me the letters start bluring together and it's hard to read the words, I have near perfect eyesight but a touch of dyslexia - but this is the first time I've come across a font anywhere near this bad. I wish you'd go back to Verdana or some other less squashed/condensed font, or at the very least increase letter & word spacing a px or two.
What would really help is if people learned to turn off cleartype or whatever fancy "font improvement" crud IE/chrome have. Frankly all of the screenshots you've posted, both supposedly good and bad, look fuzzy and terrible, but at least the old fonts weren't condensed. Maybe a css hack to increase font size only in IE/chrome would be better?
The font in the comments box still looks good, is that still verdana? Do you define it, or is it browser default?
For pure readability I prefer a monospace font, sure it stretches out too far in some situations and it's not always pretty, probably inappropriate for this site, but I can read it down to 6pt or even 4pt. I never understood why specifically 'condensed' fonts ever existed.
Yeah, on my desktop I can play around with stylish if I have to, in fact I already make the site green instead of blue. But on my cellphone I have no such luxury, and I'm not remotely interested in the app.
comment # 48 by
Just forced Verdana on is stylish:
And for giggles, forcing monospace: http://iforce.co.nz/View.aspx?i=kogieo5s.h1e.png
Now if only I could do this on my cellphone with stock browser (i.e. without using an otherwise useless browser, FF for android is terrible, dolphin's not much better).
comment # 49 by
Have been using Chrome since forever and the text have been like the first link (the FF one) never had any issues with N-E.
I don't mind the change though still looks clean.
comment # 50 by
Helvetica was actually a lot clearer than Ariel, but both are bigger than the old Verdana font and more legible.
The color and weight of the watchlist may not have changed, but there's still not enough contrast between the white and the light blue, which makes it more difficult to read than it needs to be. I guess I just never noticed it before, because the font was so tiny.
I really have no preference to which font you choose, so as long as it's clearly legible and sans serif.
Monospace, however, are absolute crap to read. Please don't use those.
Paul: Those image links don't work.
comment # 51 by
Don't like the new font, it's too tall and skinny, or something. Looks strange, but I'm sure I'm just not used to it yet.
comment # 52 by
Prefer the old layout and font this one it too large and widely spaced and skinny The text is not as easy to read as it was.
comment # 53 by
Liked the font a lot better before. This one is... wierd. :) And on stuff to watch, when you mark episode as watched, the - sign is too small, skinny now. Hard to click.
comment # 54 by
Arni: don't work in what way? What error are you getting?
comment # 55 by
I will do some more tweaking and research a bit later today and will let you know guys.
I can't leave anyone unhappy with this :)
comment # 56 by
I agree with a lot of the other people here. Kal's looks like mine, which is widely spaced and font is tightly packed together.
Have you used tools like these to check browser compatibility? Quite a few of them are free.
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