Following the events of 'Avengers: Endgame,' Sam Wilson/Falcon and Bucky Barnes/Winter Soldier team up in a global adventure that tests their abilities -- and their patience.
Maybe I have an oversensitive detector for out of place stuff since I deal with scammers and hackers every day.
Rough neighborhood? ... or do you work in fraud prevention? :cool:
Online gambling :D Neighborhood was nice as well :)
by TheFizza posted 2 years ago
This was the longest and second best MCU movie I've seen thus far :p
by lighton posted 2 years ago
Moze said:
Oh and Ishma-el only said he was a black man from Africa and even he is tired of the American woke agenda. And something about gays n stuff not being as accepted in Africa as in the US. Though he might have used a few different words to explain it ;)
Parts of Africa are still on the really dark side of anti-woke (or whatever you want to call this):
Oh and Ishma-el only said he was a black man from Africa and even he is tired of the American woke agenda. And something about gays n stuff not being as accepted in Africa as in the US. Though he might have used a few different words to explain it ;)
by paisley1 posted 2 years ago
mrverene said:
I didn't find the show particularly egregious in pushing an agenda, especially as the Isaiah arc was straight out of the comics (in those 'woke' days of 2003) as was a lot of the stuff regarding Sam's being accepted as Cap (actually it was a bit more pronounced in the comics). You can believe the characters have these concerns because the creators are pushing an agenda if you like, but I don't think any of it was unrealistic for how the characters would feel in today's USA. I wonder if some of the strong reactions might be a case of hammers looking for nails.
I agree, it wasn't particularly egregious, but it was enough to take me out of the fiction. Sort of like, "Wait, what are you trying to say here? That's a bit heavy handed." I think its more of a case of seeing a pattern throughout many shows these days, and this being another one on the list.
When I saw Carl Lumbly playing Isaiah Bradley the retired super soldier I shouted, "DIXON!!!!"
Ok I just finished the end of The Falcon and the Winter soldier and I couldn't help but note that LOST is on Disney+ now! "Squirrel!" :lol: No attention span for Marvel, but LOST, wow, what an amazing show, so worth the re-watch; is this 4k, LOST looks and sounds amazing!
by mrverene posted 2 years ago
I didn't find the show particularly egregious in pushing an agenda, especially as the Isaiah arc was straight out of the comics (in those 'woke' days of 2003) as was a lot of the stuff regarding Sam's being accepted as Cap (actually it was a bit more pronounced in the comics). You can believe the characters have these concerns because the creators are pushing an agenda if you like, but I don't think any of it was unrealistic for how the characters would feel in today's USA. I wonder if some of the strong reactions might be a case of hammers looking for nails.
by paisley1 posted 2 years ago
graybags said:
paisley1 said:
graybags said:
paisley1 said:
Graybags, ya, wow, I wish I got a chance to read it! :lol:
I was stunned that somebody would actually write such things in a public forum, I really was. It was sexist, racist, bigoted, toxic nastiness all rolled up into one horrendous paragraph.
I didn't realize. That's not good.
Such a response kinda goes to prove the point that I was making about why messaging a strong social and political point of view in a TV show is wrong, because it elicits contempt from those who are on different sides of the argument. It's a form of antagonism from the show towards people in the audience, telling them what to think and that they're bad, and that doesn't change anyone, it only serves to further polarize and entrench sides.
I should probably finish watching this show, right?
I guess you could also argue the topics such as the themes in this show get people thinking and talking about them, even if they are ramming ideologies down your throat. I guess all this moralistic nonsense is aimed at children and small-minded adults, in the hope that it could bring about change. But has a TV show ever managed that?
There needs to be humility and tact at the point of entry, considering all sides of an argument; then and only then, can TV be used to inspire better behaviour, because its talking to all sides. As soon as they take a hard and fast side, they lose the moral high ground, and entrench sides.
TV is an inspirational medium not a moral medium, and just the lift it gives in watching it is enough to accomplish its purpose; it doesn't need to sermonize social and political points of view to inspire.
by graybags posted 2 years ago
paisley1 said:
graybags said:
paisley1 said:
Graybags, ya, wow, I wish I got a chance to read it! :lol:
I was stunned that somebody would actually write such things in a public forum, I really was. It was sexist, racist, bigoted, toxic nastiness all rolled up into one horrendous paragraph.
I didn't realize. That's not good.
Such a response kinda goes to prove the point that I was making about why messaging a strong social and political point of view in a TV show is wrong, because it elicits contempt from those who are on different sides of the argument. It's a form of antagonism from the show towards people in the audience, telling them what to think and that they're bad, and that doesn't change anyone, it only serves to further polarize and entrench sides.
I should probably finish watching this show, right?
I guess you could also argue the topics such as the themes in this show get people thinking and talking about them, even if they are ramming ideologies down your throat. I guess all this moralistic nonsense is aimed at children and small-minded adults, in the hope that it could bring about change. But has a TV show ever managed that?
by paisley1 posted 2 years ago
graybags said:
paisley1 said:
Graybags, ya, wow, I wish I got a chance to read it! :lol:
I was stunned that somebody would actually write such things in a public forum, I really was. It was sexist, racist, bigoted, toxic nastiness all rolled up into one horrendous paragraph.
I didn't realize. That's not good.
Such a response kinda goes to prove the point that I was making about why messaging a strong social and political point of view in a TV show is wrong, because it elicits contempt from those who are on different sides of the argument. It's a form of antagonism from the show towards people in the audience, telling them what to think and that they're bad, and that doesn't bring people together, it only serves to further polarize and entrench sides.
I should probably finish watching this show, right?
by graybags posted 2 years ago
paisley1 said:
Graybags, ya, wow, I wish I got a chance to read it! :lol:
I was stunned that somebody would actually write such things in a public forum, I really was. It was sexist, racist, bigoted, toxic nastiness all rolled up into one horrendous paragraph.